Honda just put out a recall of over 180,000 Civic Sedans, which includes model years 2006 and 2007. Yikes. Most of the recalls that I post about here are from the domestic side, so it’s interesting to see such a large recall from a company like Honda. Toyota has suffered through it’s share of high-profile recalls lately, and still maintained their image though. So I doubt this recall, even though it is huge, will adversely affect Honda’s reputation.
Anyway enough chatter. What’s the recall for? Oh, nothing major… just a faulty wheel bearing that could cause one of the wheels to fall off. You know, fall of the car, as in while you’re driving. If that isn’t scary, then you need to get your head checked.
Honda will be sending out the usual letters to the affected owners. If you’re worried, call your dealer for more information. For the rest of us, I’d advise following late-model Civics at a safe distance for awhile, and keep your eyes open for flying wheels.
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I have a 2008 Civic with 19,500 miles. I had the oil changed at a Honda dealership this evening and was informed that I needed to replace three of four tires. Upon further questioning I was told there is problem with control arms on the Civic, causing tire failures. The car will go in the shop next week and the Honda representatives will determine what the problem is and whether they will replace the control arms and pro-rate the mileage on the tires.
Dealer just replaced left rear wheel bearing, control arms, did four wheel alignment, replaced two tires at no cost on 2007 civic with 22000 miles. Took in documentation from this site and others. Wheel bearing was extremely loud. Tires were cupped. Dealer was great about it, as they should be.
So did was the rear suspension problem solved by replacing the rear upper control arms or did the problem persist causing irregular ware?
Wow, I wish I would have seen these posts sooner. I have been checking Edmunds and Honda for recalls or service bulletins for my 2007 Honda Civic Coupe EX and was surprised and delighted to see none. Unfortunately, now, I am quite pissed. I was driving with my 4 year old and sister in law from LA to the SF Bay Area on June 11, 2008. Suddenly we heard an explosion in the right rear of the car. My car started veering toward the right lane. I tried to pull over to the emergency lane, but my car kept going right. We ended up crashing into the center divide at about 45mph. We were perpendicular to the divide and my tail was sticking out in the far left lane. Fortunately, other drivers were able to respond quickly and no one hit us. When I got out to check the car, the right rear tire was in pieces and the front drivers side was gone. If this would have happened on other areas of the 5 or 580 where there a lot of drop off along the freeway, we may have all died. Oddly enough, none of the airbags deployed. I have driven to SF from LA so many times and have never had tire problems. We are all still shaken up about the accident and have spent over $700 in car rental fees.
I just filed a complaint with NHTSA thinking that the tires cause the problem. Now I see that it is something we should have known about and should have had fixed. I will file a new complaint about the Upper Control Arms and that fact that we did not receive a notice about the service bulletins TSB 08-011 in the US and V11-10-07 in Canada.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm
My baby and sister in law could have died. We need to do something about this and make sure that Honda sends out notices and makes repairs ASAP. If any of you are in CA and would like to pursue this together you can e-mail me at sheilamarie@ucla.edu.
Gotta 2008 civic hybrid with the negative camber problem. Cupping on all four tires and all the noice that goes with it. Dealer (Kuhn, Tampa) says they’ll replace the stuff called for in TSB 08 001 but they want $57 each for 4 tires I need, because I have 16,000 miles. Kind of a bummer.
Other things I read says my problem may not be solved with the fix Honda’s doin’.
I made a post on June 11 inquiring if the rear suspension problem was solved with the replacement of the upper control arms — to no response. My account it in Nov 2007 with 15000 miles on my 2007 civic sedan, I felt a strong vibration in the steering wheel. As this was my third civic I knew this was not right. I took the car in and the dealer said my rear tires were cupped and the toe and camber had to be realigned per a honda bulletin. They did the alignment and gave me new tires. In Dec at 19000 i had the tires rotated. The original front tires were put on the back. In June, 7000 miles later, I felt the vibrabration again. I recieved the recall notice regarding the problem with oring and the bearing. So when I took it in I asked them to look at the suspension again as I felt the vibration. They said again, my tires had irrugular wear on the inner side. The dealer also said there was a new bulletin regarding the upper control arm. Honda would replace the upper control arm but not the tires. The dealer said they were bound by Honda America Policy. I had to file a formal complaint with Honda America customer service. I had to move beyond the first responder and file a case with Honda. I did so and the case manager agreed that all signs point to a problem with the suspension not a problem with the tires. So he ruled in my favor and honda would replaced the tires as well as their upper control arm, but the job ticket clearly states the tires are no longer covered in the warrently. The suspension on the car seems perfect. However, I was disappointed that I had to press my case through the dealer, a customer service rep at Honda and a case manager. Honda civic was, until now, the only car I would own. I hope the upper control arm replacement permanently fixes the problem. With the record so far, it is likely I will only know after the car is off warrently at 36,000.
by the way — Joe H — the first offer regarding the tires from my honda dealer was he would pay for one of the two tires needing replacement, which he claimed cost $300 for the pair.
I purchased a new 2007 Civic Coupe. While driving on the freeway a few days ago, the rear control arm broke! Luckily I was able to pull off the freeway. When the tires were removed to fix this, I noticed BOTH rear tires had flat spots & uneven wear. I was surprised that the CONTROL ARM suddenly broke. The car is out of warranty (now over 50k miles) but for the control arm to suddenly break seems very odd. After reading several other replies on the same issue, it’s obvious there is some sort of defect with the suspension. Does anybody out there know what we can do about this? Doesn’t look like Honda wants to do anything about this…
I have a new Civic Hybrid 2008 with 5500 miles. I took to local dealer since I hear a thumping noise from rear of car. First they rebalanced the rear wheels and told me to try it for a week. After one week I took back and went with mechanic to test drive, since the first time they said they couldn’t hear the noise I complained about. I took him to a newly paved road and then he heard the thumping noise. We went back to garage, and they put up on lift and came out to waiting room and advise me all four tires are unevenly worn. I have not had them rotated since I only have 5500 miles. They are contacting the district service manager to see what they recommend. I’ll keep you posted.
My 2006 Honda Civic engine block cracked yesterday. The car has been driven 58,000 miles. The car was well maintained. The crack is in front of the engine under the exhaust manifold. I may sign up to be included into that class action lawsuit.
I took my 2007 civic to the Hobbs Honda in Milwaukee and told them I had vibration in the car that started at 3000 miles around 65mph. It got worse. Now at 22k the vibration is starting at 50mph. Honda blamed it on the goodyear tires. After about 1hr of asking questions they said they would replace the upper control arm in the rear. But, the tire replacement was my problem. I almost lost control of the vehicle bringing it to the dealer in the rain due to the hopping of the rear tires. Be careful! Honda obviously knows they have a serious problem and they don’t seem to care if their lack of information on this problem kills someone.
Don’t give up the fight on getting Honda to make good on your tires that have beeb damaged by the rear arm assembly. I kept on protesting to Honda and the dealership pointing out that the damage damage was due to the defect in craftsmanship of the car and that I would turn my complaint over to the consumer watchdog groups here in NC. I finally was given 2 rear tires at no cost on my 2007 Honda Civic 2 door coupe. So far I have not noticed a return of the problem but it is early yet. My daughter is having her rear arm replace for free on her 2006 sedan even though it was a used car. Seems she has 100000 mile warrenty that she did not know she had. (wasn’t told by the dealership when she got it). They also made an offer to pro- rate the cost of her tires! Don’t give up with just what your dealership says or first contact with Honda Custmor service. Be firm, be consistant, be polite and keep a log of all they say and when.I told them I was recording for accurracy. Good luck with your problems and do not give up.
Today, I had all four tires on my 2008 Civic Hybrid replaced and a complete realignment to correct cupping on tires. The upper control arms were determined to be the proper ones. The district service manager said they were “reopening” the case of the premature wear on rear tires. The alignment was checked before new tires were replaced and they said the alignment was way off on all tires. I was not charged for this service since I only have 6000 miles. It was mentioned that this is only happening on 2008 Civic Hybrids, so mine was not the first case for 2008.
Lyle Rockwell, Athens, PA
Problem solved. I sold my 2007 Honda Civic. My Honda dealership service department advertizes “100% Satisfaction Guaranteed”. I think this is directed more towards the Honda Corporation than their customers.
Les, sorry. Please clarify. Did the honda dealer take the car back? Did you trade it in to the honda dealer for another car? Or did you go to another auto maker and get a new car with the trade in?
FYI – I have a 2006 Civic with 84,000 miles and a few days ago it was diagnosed with a cracked block. I have read several people on other sites with this same problem. Does anyone know what if anything Honda is doing about this problem with Honda Civic engine block cracks? I’m not alone. Most people don’t have 80,000 miles yet, but, it’s happened to a few with milage in the 50’s. I’m calling Honda tomorrow to see what they will do. I work for a national news organization, I’m going to talk to Honda, and then talk to the national auto reporter where I work. If you all know anyone who has had an engine block crack on a Honda Civic post about it here please.
Any other suggestions will be welcome
Everyone there is an easy way to get your money back for these repairs, take note. Print this entire page then go to your local small claims court to file a complaint. The nice thing about small claims court is that the judge is the attorney for both sides and in most states you can sue up to 9000.00 in damages it is very rewarding and will send a message to Honda in a big way. Reason is while there are wonderful laws on the books for us poor people who can’t afford attorneys’ class action law suits only benefit the attorneys not the people.
Sue you local Honda dealer now or out of venue Honda Corp, if they don’t show up to court the judge will grant a default judgement in your favor in which you can proceed to file actions to demand payment. This website serves as a third party fourm where we can set a precedence in the legal system to make sure auto makers stop their shady practices.
Trust me I own a 2006 Honda Civic Sedan and I have already had tires, wheel bearings, and control arms, range switch for a P0812 code where the harness and switch needed to be replaced. the car has only 29.000 miles on it and it has issues with the front wheels being out 1.0 on the right front wheels for alignment which I was told means I would need to have the frame tugged out to make the adjustment.
So it sounds like the wheel alignment issue as well as the bearing noise is being blamed on an o-ring for the ABS sensor but it appears people are having the wheel bearing issue regardless of the o-ring failure and it also appears that these dealers are only saying everything is fine because they know it is under warranty and do not want to do the work because Honda does not credit the dealer their full price for the labor they charge. Those who get work done under warranty must understand that Honda corp does not pay 100% of what a dealer charges you off the street this is where the problem lyes.
If Honda corp did pay 100% then the dealer would be bending over backwards to help every customer that ever had a problem.
Honda is losing it’s value, the more Honda’s that are on the road the faster these cars are going to lose their value and the worse the customer service is going to get. When Honda was concerned about their quality control process every thing was wonderful but now everything is all about planned life cycle they no longer want their cars running as long as they were in the past and the proof is right here on this pages and everywhere else on google. Go ahead do a search for yourself, there are ways you can make sure if your engine block cracks it gets replaced with a forged one instead of a cast one. Forged blocks are stronger, then cast blocks so if you do end up having an issue with an engine block make sure to spend the extra 150.00 to get a forged one instead of a cast one and take it to small claims court where it will only cost you a day off work and a small 40.00 or less fee to get satisfaction.
Hope this helps everyone from getting burned from these dealers and Honda themselves.
Honda Ed, here’s one more for your records….my 06 Civic had a cracked block at 43k miles. Honda did replace it as it was still under the powertrain warranty. Now I’m dealing w/the less serious but still annoying issue of the cracked sun visor. Can someone remind me why I’m driving another Honda, when Hyundai has a 100k mile warranty?
Honda Ed and everyone else, I too had a crack short block @37,000 miles on my civic 06. I was told it was like winning a reverse lottery 1 in a million. Obviously not true. My car has 90,000 miles on it now and is out of warranty. Same issues like everyone else on the badly worn tires. I am on my second set. Right rear tire choppy,diagonal pattern,loud obnoxious humming and vibration.Dealer realigned my wheels and told me the tire would wear itself to correct pattern but after 2 months it has become worse.Wheels look leaned in.Researched on internet,called Dealer,they said they are aware of the service bulletin but would not replace the control arms free of charge unless it was made a recall.Read on a website that Canada has issued one but not American Honda? Very upset,I was really proud of owning this car but after all that has happened and all that I read I will not buy a Honda again.I will gladly join any class action lawsuits.
I bought a 2007 Honda Civic Coupe EX in May of 2007, after about 20,000 mi, on a regular tire rotation and balance, I noticed a bumping noise and found the tires moved from the rear to the front had flats all around on, both tires. Now at 50,000 I have replaced all (4) tires, only to find the roaring,humming noise was not coming from the tires,but something on the car, hard to tell if it is front end or rear wheel bearings. It is at the Dealer now, I don’t know who is paying yet, but it sounds like lots of you are having the same problem. Is there a recall for sure?
Has anyone seriously investigated the possibility of a class action suit in order to recover the costs of new tires? I have owned my 2007 Civic Hybrid for one year & was just recently told by the service guy at my local Honda dealership that my tires had premature wear. They are going to fix the Control Arms, but make me buy 4 new tires.
I just had a tire blow out on the freeway about a month ago & I wonder whether there is any connection. Regardless, I find it troublesome that I have to pay for new tires, when it appears to be the faulty control arms that have worn them down prematurely.
Any information or advice would be appreciated!
I should have known better than to buy my 2006 civic being the first year of this new generation Honda .The problems are through the roof and here is the list.two broken sun visors , leaky power stearing (the day after I bought it)abs o ring ,bad fuel sensor ,41K and about to buy my third set of tires (I baby this car and don’t drive like a maniac)two others were I work have an 07 ,and 08 model and have the exact same problems especially with the tires.Now I have one possibly two front wheel bearings going out.
Lets get a class action lawsuit going here is My info
Brett Munson
dlaydpnlty@aol.com
Im in Colorado Springs Colorado
I got my 2006 honda civic serviced today and I asked them to check my back end. It has been making noise pretty much since I got it and was always told it was nothing. Today they tell me my rear upper control arms are shot, causing my tires to wear out unevenly and so I need new tires, (just bought new ones last year!) as well as fixing the arms and balancing so about $550-600 worth of stuff… They told me nothing is under warrenty but friends who work at other dealers saying it should be… don’t know what to do but don’t feel like paying for all this when I see other people posting with the same problem it has to be a honda issue!
I was informed today that my 2006 Civic has a cracked engine block. First indication of a problem was high temp reading, a little steam, and hot coolant smell. My car has 117k on it since I commute over 100 miles per day to work. Thankfully I purchased an extended warranty to 120K. If Honda doesn’t honor the warranty, I’ll go the small claims court route. I have also had to replace both visors, and I had to have a rear tire replcade due to premature wear. Nice to know I am not alone on the cracked engine block.
My 2006 Honda Civic was giving me tire noise after 9000km (5400 miles). This was the second time. My garage booked my car for 3 hrs work. The upper control arm was replaced and two new tires.
The noise has not returned.
Canada
Today i am told by my Honda dealer that my Civic 2006 has crack on engine block. After reading this blog i think i am the only one here who have that crack in early mileage of 28k. I hope Honda will replace it under warranty instead of repair.
Engine block Problems;
I bought a 2007 Honda Civic New. I am a mechanic and I drive 165 miles per day for my job. I smelled coolant the other day when I got out my car. I put it on the lift today to check it out. Evidently Honda has a casting problem with the block as mine is wicking coolant behind the cat converter. I verified this with an air gun and the engine running. I blew off the coolant and you can see it wick through the block. I have 62500 miles on this car. It has used coolant since new but I was never able to locate it. The amount was very small so I wasn’t concerned. I have an appointment with the dealer on Monday to see what they will do. Also I use a synthetic oil and have it tested regularly. My last test I got last Friday showed 0.102 % of water in the oil. It looked normal when I sampled it. Maybe time for a Toyota?
I bought a new 2006 Honda Civic and did not know the thing would eat tires in 15,000 miles no matter how many times you rotated tires. I went to the local dealer where I bought the car and was told nothing was wrong. I gave the owner of the dealership a stack of internet articles talking about the problem and all he could do was treat me like I was an ass. I put new tires on and the car again ate them up in 15,000 miles. After going to several alignment services I was told that the only way to get rid of the camber problem was to buy a $300 kit from skunk2 and again put new tires on. I have read not dozens, but hundreds of blogs concerning this problem for 2006 and 2007 cars. I will obviously have to fix the problem myself, but I will never, never buy a Honda again. I tell everyone I know of my experiences and show them pictures of the tires or if they are at my house, I let them look at the tires or look at the tires on the car. Everyone makes mistakes, but this is a very dangerous one. I have read one blog about a person who had a blow out at 65 miles an hour due to this problem. If you don’t get under the car, you will not see that the inside of the tire is completely worn out and smooth. This is a very serious and dangerous problem.
Rear Tire Eater
I bought a new 2006 Honda Civic and did not know the thing would eat tires in 15,000 miles no matter how many times you rotated tires. I went to the local dealer where I bought the car and was told nothing was wrong. I gave the owner of the dealership a stack of internet articles talking about the problem and all he could do was treat me like I was an ass. I put new tires on and the car again ate them up in 15,000 miles. After going to several alignment services I was told that the only way to get rid of the camber problem was to buy a $300 kit from skunk2 and again put new tires on. I have read not dozens, but hundreds of blogs concerning this problem for 2006 and 2007 cars. I will obviously have to fix the problem myself, but I will never, never buy a Honda again. I tell everyone I know of my experiences and show them pictures of the tires or if they are at my house, I let them look at the tires or look at the tires on the car. Everyone makes mistakes, but this is a very dangerous one. I have read one blog about a person who had a blow out at 65 miles an hour due to this problem. If you don’t get under the car, you will not see that the inside of the tire is completely worn out and smooth. This is a very serious and dangerous problem.
I live in Alaska I have a 06 Honda civic w/155k on it i drive about 150miles a day 6 days a week. About a week ago i started to smell coolant in the cab of the car i chalked it up to the water pump seal. (and bought a new one had it shipped 1 day) it takes 3 or more days to get 1 day shipping up here only to find out that my ENGINE BLOCK IS CRACKED!!! in the same place where everyone who has posted about this problem on this site say there leak is. My service advisor tells me that he called Honda USA and they have never herd of this problem at all. So now Honda taken to lying to there own dealerships!!! I hope you guys don’t mind I printed out some of the complaint’s I want to show my service advisor this in not an unknown problem. This is going to cost me 3400.00 to fix the problem. I am also pursuing the auto insurance road but it is not looking good.
Thanks
Update on my cracked engine block. Honda is doing a goodwill warranty but it needs approval. So mine is warrantied with a free rental. I am still on day 17 of the rental and the dealer claims they just got the block. Maybe from Japan? Here is the information on the TSB. Good luck!http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/mechanical-problems-technical-chat/69189-info-recalls-tsbs-common-problems-2006-civics-all-trims.html#post1863821
Service Bulletin
© 2008 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights Reserved ATB 38823-40950 (0812) 1 of 4
CUSTOMER INFORMATION: The information in this bulletin is intended for use only by skilled technicians who have the proper tools, equipment,
and training to correctly and safely maintain your vehicle. These procedures should not be attempted by “do-it-yourselfers,” and you should not assume
this bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle has the condition described. To determine whether this information applies, contact an
authorized Honda automobile dealer.
December 24, 2008
08-044
Applies To: 2006–08 Civic – ALL except GX, Hybrid, and Si
Engine Overheats or Leaks Coolant
(Supersedes 08-044, dated July 25, 2008, to update the information marked by the black bars)
SYMPTOM
The engine is leaking coolant and may be overheating.
PROBABLE CAUSE
The engine block is cracking at the coolant passages.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Install a new engine block assembly.
REQUIRED MATERIALS
Honda Genuine Long Life Antifreeze/Coolant Type 2
(2 gallons required):
P/N 0L999-9001, H/C 6512636
Honda Genuine Automatic Transmission Fluid ATF-Z1
(3 quarts required):
P/N 08206-9001, H/C 3268554
Honda Genuine Manual Transmission Fluid
(2 quarts required):
P/N 08798-9016, H/C 4928271
Hondabond HT Silicone Gasket (1 tube required):
P/N 08718-0001, H/C 2963817
Honda Genuine Motor Oil, 5W-20 (5 quarts required):
P/N 08798-9023, H/C 6512610
PARTS INFORMATION
Block, Short, General Assembly:
P/N 10002-RNA-A00, H/C 8143323
Bolt, Flange (12 x 18) (2 required):
P/N 90018-SNA-010, H/C 8076713
Bolt, Flange (12 x 25) (2 required):
P/N 90182-S2H-000, H/C 6956080
Bolt, Flange (12 x 35) (2 required):
P/N 90168-S5A-000, H/C 6462972
Bolt, Flange (12 x 40) (3 required):
P/N 90164-S5A-000, H/C 6462949
Bolt, Flange (12 x 40) (1 required):
P/N 90160-SNA-A00, H/C 8178345
Bolt, Flange (12 x 63) (1 required):
P/N 90168-SZ3-000, H/C 4977641
Bolt, Flange (12 x 84) (2 required):
P/N 90118-SNA-000, H/C 8114480
Bolt, Flange (14 x 93) (1 required):
P/N 90165-SNA-A00, H/C 8114498
Bolt, Flange (14 x 94) (2 required):
P/N 90116-SNA-010, H/C 8178287
Bolt, Flange (14 x 115) (4 required):
P/N 90175-S5A-000, H/C 6579585
Filter, Oil (1 required):
P/N 15400-PLM-A01, H/C 6446231
Gasket Kit, Cylinder Head (1 required):
P/N 06110-RNB-000, H/C 8045114
Gasket, Flexible Exhaust (1 required):
P/N 18229-S5D-A01, H/C 6468722
Nut, Flange (12 mm) (2 required):
P/N 90371-SEF-000, H/C 8178535
Nut, Flange (14 mm) (1 required):
P/N 90213-S5A-003, H/C 6472237
Nut (10 mm) (2 required):
P/N 90212-SA5-003, H/C 1169812
Nut (12 mm) (4 required):
P/N 90215-SB0-003, H/C 1715499
Nut, Spindle (22 mm) (2 required):
P/N 90305-692-010, H/C 1483627
O-ring Set, Oil Pump (1 required):
P/N 15101-RNA-A00, H/C 8045650
Plate, Partition (coolant separator) (1 required):
P/N 11103-RNA-A01, H/C 8160616
Ring, Set, A/T (26 x 1.8) (2 required):
P/N 44319-SR1-003, H/C 4121810
Socket, Drive Bolt, (10 x 55) (1 required):
P/N 96700-10055-18, H/C 8114506
Washer, Drain Plug, (A/T) (16 mm) (1 required):
P/N 90471-RPC-000, H/C 8178840
Washer, Drain Plug, (A/T) (18 mm) (1 required):
P/N 90471-PX4-000, H/C 3300936
Washer, Drain Plug, (M/T) (14 mm) (1 required):
P/N 94109-14000, H/C 0171876
Washer, Drain Plug, (M/T) (20 mm) (1 required):
P/N 94109-20000, H/C 0251728
2 of 4 08-044
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
In warranty: The normal warranty applies.
Failed Part: P/N 10002-RNA-A00
H/C 8143323
Defect Code: 07601
Symptom Code: 09105
Skill Level: Repair Technician
Out of warranty: Any repair performed after warranty
expiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration by
the District Parts and Service Manager or your Zone
Office. You must request consideration, and get a
decision, before starting work.
OP# Description FRT
111100 Install a new engine block assembly. 12.0
Q Add for alignment. 0.6
08-044 3 of 4
DIAGNOSIS
Look for coolant leaking from cracks in the block at the
points shown below. On the back side of the engine,
remove the oil/air separator cover so you can check
beneath it. Pressure-test the cooling system if needed.
Is the block leaking coolant in any of the areas shown?
YES – Go to REPAIR PROCEDURE.
NO – Continue with normal troubleshooting.
FRONT
OF THE ENGINE EXHAUST MANIFOLD
CRACK
LOCATIONS
BACK
OF THE ENGINE
CRACK LOCATIONS
OIL/AIR
SEPARATOR
COVER
CRACK LOCATIONS
4 of 4 08-044
REPAIR PROCEDURE
1. Remove the engine and transmission assembly:
• Refer to page 5-3 of the 2006–2008 Civic
Service Manual, or
• Online, enter keywords ENGINE REMOVAL,
and select Engine Removal (R18A1 Engine)
from the list.
2. Remove the ignition coils:
• Refer to page 4-29 of the service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords IGNITION COIL, and
select Ignition Coil Removal/Installation
(R18A1 and R18A4 Engine) from the list.
3. Inspect the ignition coils for lengthening due to
overheating.
Is there a gap in the insulation greater than 1 mm
(.04 inch)?
Yes – Replace the affected coil(s).
No – Re-use the original coil(s).
4. Remove the cylinder head:
• Refer to page 6-28 of the service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords HEAD REMOVE, and
select Cylinder Head Removal (R18A1 Engine)
from the list.
5. Inspect the cylinder head:
• Refer to steps 2 and 3 on page 6-33 of the
service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords HEAD INSPECT, and
select Cylinder Head Inspection for Warpage
(R18A1 and R18A4 Engine) from the list, and
do steps 2 and 3.
6. M/T only: Remove the M/T from the engine:
• Refer to page 13-80, beginning with step 33, of
the service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords TRANS REMOVAL, and
select Manual Transmission Removal (5M/T)
from the list.
7. A/T only: Remove the A/T from the engine:
• Refer to page 14-232, beginning with step 9, of
the service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords TRANS REMOVAL, and
select Automatic Transmission Removal (A/T)
from the list.
8. Install the original cylinder head on the new short
block:
NOTE: Be sure to install the partition plate (coolant
separator) before installing the cylinder head.
• Refer to page 6-50 of the service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords HEAD INSTALL, and
select Cylinder Head Installation (R18A1
Engine) from the list.
9. M/T only: Install the M/T onto the engine:
• Refer to page 13-81 of the service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords TRANS
INSTALLATION, and select Manual
Transmission Installation (5M/T) from the list.
10. A/T only: Install the A/T onto the engine:
• Refer to page 14-242, beginning with step 4, of
the service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords TRANS
INSTALLATION, select Automatic
Transmission Installation (A/T) from the list,
and begin at step 4.
11. Install the engine and transmission assembly into
the vehicle:
• Refer to page 5-45 of the service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords ENGINE INSTALL, and
select Engine Installation (R18A1 Engine,
except ’08 DX-G M/T models) from the list.
NOTE: To avoid electrical problems, make sure
that the ground wire connection G101 (Photo 29
ETM) is clean and tight.
12. To avoid false misfire detection, do the crank (CKP)
pattern clear and CKP pattern learn procedures:
• Refer to page 11-4 of the service manual, or
• Online, enter keywords HOW TROUBLESHOOT
FUEL, and select How to Troubleshoot Fuel
and Emissions Systems (R18A1 Engine, xx)
from the list.
IGNITION COIL
No gap.
Gap larger
than 1 mm
is no good.
The rear tires with the flat spots are inevitable if you own a Honda 06 or 07. Honda is in denial. I approached my dealer when my wife’s 06 was still under warranty with the information off the internet and with the tires. He looked at me like I was an ass. I have since sacrificed a second set of tires to the Honda God of Tire Eaters. You can rotate your tires every two thousand miles and all you will do is end up with flat spots on the insides of all four tires. I took my car to alignment shops and they all said the same thing: “Hondas do that”. The alignment shops could see the problem as can anyone who looks at the rear of the Honda. You can’t run your tires like /\.
Most of the shops indicated that my only chance was to buy a skunk2 set of upper arms which I have found for about $300.
Thus, counting tires and the arms I will be out about $900.
I have already cost my dealer at least six sales by talking to people I know who were considering buying a Honda like my wife’s. I will fix the Honda and then I will sell it and buy another Nissan. Only had one recall with the Nissan which we drove for 300,000 miles before a kid ran into my wife. They recalled the alternator. I had already replaced it, they paid me for the replacement.
Honda is going to pay for this problem, not by fixing it, but by loosing their reputation and the resulting loss of sales. I bought the Honda because of Honda’s reputation. I will not NEVER buy another Honda nor will anyone I know or speak to about cars. Yes, I have taken action. I have sent eight by ten pictures and documentation to Honda etc. etc. Any car company who knew about this in 2006 and is still letting it go is special. One man had a blow out at 55 and was lucky not to be killed. When someone is killed and they get a real good lawyer, then perhaps Honda will take head. Until then, you can consider Honda for what Honda has become, not what it was.
An additional footnote about recalls: The driver’s side sun visor was fixed withing the warranty, it is now falling again.
NEVER AGAIN
Picked up my car today at the dealership. New complete engine block. They sent the head to a local machine shop and had it checked. It took 19 days due to the shipping delay of the block with the holidays. 19 days for the rental car paid for by Honda. They claim a 12 month, 12k mile warranty but Honda America told me if I had a problem again to take it back to the dealer. I still need to inspect the work on my lift to check the quality. I will post again if any changes ocur.
Kelly Blue Book seems to be filtering bad reviews. I posted 2 of them thinking the 1st slipped through and failed to get posted but the 2nd didn’t post either. So I believe if you leave a very negitive review they won’t post it so the manufacturer doesn’t get upset. I also was very polite and stated only facts. SO DON’T BELIEVE KBB REVIEWS AS THEY MAY BE FILTERED!
I just got the control arm fixed yesterday after hearing a roaring noise coming from the rear back (Honda Civix Coup 2007). Honda dealer refused to replace the 2 tires in the back for free stating that it was a wear and tear. It was going to cost us about $300 to replace the two rear tires from Honda. What the ??? How can it be a wear and tear and it’s Honda’s fault for installing a defective part. This is a cause and effect situation. Now they want the customer to pay for it. If the control arm was not defective, the tires would not be worn and teared. I agrued with the service rep. but there was nothing he could do. I was given a phone number to contact Honda corp. and talk to them about my tires. They will definitely be hearing from me. Just within a year of owning this car(brand new off the lot), I had to get the ac compressor replaced, the driver side’s visor replaced, and now the control arm. Not to mention that the engine is burning oil too! This is my first time owning a civic and the last time(own Honda Accords before with no problem). I will be trading this car in. I am not happy with the car (not a bad gas saver though). Too many headaches with things constantly wrong with it due to Honda. The worst part is when I take it in and being treated like an idoit and having the dealer brush it off like there’s nothing wrong with the car!!!!!Do they think I have nothing else better to do than complain to them about the car? Oh and by the way, as a courtesy to Honda’s customers, they should send us a letter of recall for defective parts instead of letting us find out the hard way when something breaks and then we have to fork up money to fix it.
I have a 2007 Honda Fit and at 64,000 miles had to replace the front wheel bearing. After getting that fixed by my mechanic he also advised that what he called the “transmission bearing” is going bad. I have been reading the other blogs and see that everyone is having problems with the tires. i did to. But can anyone advise if they are or have experienced problems with their wheel bearings at such low mileage. Can someone also educate me regarding the “transmission bearing”. Thank you
I HAD notice ( HAD ) a 2007 Honda Civic EX. I Had Tire/Rear Bearing Problems and the dealership where I bought the Car “Honda Cars of Rockhill S.C.” continued to give me the Total Run-a-Round. I finally decided to Sell the Car, Best thing I ever did!….I Will NEVER Own a Honda Car again because of the Terrible Service and Lies that were told to me by the Dealership. I now have a General Motors Truck. I owned 3 before and always had good luck with them.
Some people are getting confused about the problems with the 2006 and 2007 Honda Civic. 1. The drivers visor is defective, when replaced, it will still give you trouble. 2. The wheel bearing problem Honda will fix. 3. The rear end eating up tires, they will typically not fix. The 2006 and 2007 will eat up the inside of the tires regardless of rotating them every three thousand miles or not. You hear all these people saying there is a recall on this, NO. Honda will not deal with this. Your only choice is to buy the Skunk2 Rear Camber Kit so that you can adjust the camber. I have talked with many owners and with alignment people. Just put out the $300 for the kit, pay another $100 for the alignment and make sure to tell everyone you know not to buy Honda,they can’t be trusted and that you can give them the names and numbers of people who own an 06 or 07. I have probably stopped the sale of eight or nine Honda’s just by showing my tires to other people who were thinking of buying a Honda. My loss on this whole situation will be about a thousand dollars in labor, time, tires and parts. But, I have learned my lesson and if they would do this to the 06, 07 Honda owners, what will they do in these hard economic times.
I don’t care how many other companies have recalls, I bought a Honda because I THOUGHT Honda was a better company. AT LEAST THE OTHER COMPANIES HAVE RECALLS, HONDA WILL NOT RECALL A KNOWN AND DANGEROUS PROBLEM. One man noted that he was going 55mph when a rear inside tire blew out. He didn’t think that a tire could have been eaten up so badly on the inside that quickly. It almost cost him his life. I have sent certified mail requiring a signiture to Honda and will probably be testifying when someone is killed and the relatives realize what has happened and that Honda was aware of the problem.
Has anyone experienced a bumping sound while driving at low speeds? When picking up speed it’s hard to hear and when slowing down it can be heard slowing as the car slows to a stop.
My steering wheel never pulls but going fast I don’t think the ride is smooth. I’ve had a mechanic put the car on a lift and sees nothing. I brought it back for the recall on the wheel bearing and all was ok.
We too have a 2007 Honda Civic that is making a lot and I do mean a lot of noise on the road that is coming from the rear portion of the car. I took it to the dealer and was also told that the tires were cupping and that some upper control arms had to be replaced and that they were covered under the warranty. I have never have heard anything about any re-call on this problem. They also said that the rear tires were cupping and that they had to be replaced before they could do the other work. I called the Honda 800 number and was told that it would be taken under consideration and that I would receive a call back within 24-48 hours. Yesterday they called and said that they were going to consider paying 50% of the cost of replacing the two rear tires. As I had rotated the tires it seems logical to me that the front tires are also most likely cupping. Nothing would be heard of concerning the (now) front tires. I told them that 50% was not going to be acceptable as I had only 16,000 miles on a set of 60,000 mile tires. Once again I was told that they would look into it and I would hear back in 24 – 48 hours. Almost 24 hours to the minute I received a call from the same lady. And once again they had the same answer. I asked to speak to her supervisor and she said that Honda did not operate that way and that an owner could not speak to a supervisor. After some heated discussion we hung up and I am to call her back within 7 days. However, I simply picked-up the phone and called the 800 number again and told another lady the story and she said that was bull and that I had every right to speak to a supervisor and she would have someone call me within 24 hours, that was an hour ago.
I believe all of us need to get some attorney involved and file a class action law suit against Honda regarding this issue. This is outrageous of them to think we should be responsible for replacing worn out tires that have worn out in the first place because they did not engineer something correct to begin with. Don’t know how to go about this but something has to be done as $300.00 plus dollars for a pair of tires isn’t that easy to come by these days. Honda buys tires by the train load and they could easily and should glady replace all of these tires. I will click on the “notify me of followup comments via e-mail” Hope to hear from hundreds if not thousands so we can get something going on this ASAP.
Disgusted in Oklahoma
This is “Disgusted in Oklahoma” again. Received a call from a supervisor at American Honda today and they are not willing to budge on their paying 50% for two tires. This is outrageous! I talked to the three largest Honda dealers in Oklahoma City yesterday and found that they are flooded with complaints about this and frankly they are looking for a class action law suit to be filed by someone, someplace any day now. Even they are disgusted with the way Honda is handling this situation. They too agree that if one has been responsible and rotated ones tires then in all probability all four tires have cupped and Honda needs to own up to the fact that this is their fault in the first place. Something has happened at Honda as service and customer satisfaction use to be their first name. Does anybody out there have an address in Japan for Honda? Whatever you do keep all of the paperwork regarding this. I have also notified Dateline NBC, ABC’s 20/20, ABC’s Prime Time Live. Come on people, the more of us that contact the media the better chance this thing has of getting exposed. Why on earth has Honda not had a re-call regarding this issue? They are going to do my little repair job with me paying half of two tires next week. THE ONLY REASON I am having this done is for our own safety,. I DO NOT agree with Honda’s decision regarding this matter and I will not keep quiet about it. I am calling the Oklahoma Attorney General’s office immediately after submitting this. The more noise we owners make the better chance of getting Honda off of their fat lazy rear ends and getting this settled.
Disgusted in Oklahoma
We had the same problem. You need to follow up with the Honda US in california. The number is in the owners manual.
I have a 2007 Honda Civic LX. It only has 20,000 miles on it. I have been hearing a funny sound and new it was the brakes. They said that my brakes were down to nothing! There was no pads left on the front brakes. I have always owned Hondas and this has never happened so EARLY!! They said it was normal wear and tear. Don’t buy that- I have been very gentle on the car. I expect much more from a Honda- similar problems anyone????
This is Disgusted in Oklahoma.
Last night we drove this car down Interstate 35 at 70 MPH after dark. Speak about bring the problem to the attention of your eyes. Every dash light, the speedometer, the rear view mirrors, everything is a complete blur not to mention the horrible vibration all over the car. By the time we got home our bodies were a-buzz.
Re: Diagrams above. I have contacted American Honda in California three times within the past three days. They are the most hateful people I have ever had any dealings with. No wonder there are so many people in California that are un-employed right now.
I, too, had a problem with rear end noise and lack of total control on iced roads. My 07 Civic only had 13,000 miles on it. I took the car to the dealer, and they said it was a control arm issue, and that they would pay for two rear tires and the control arms. I said this was unacceptable as I had these tires rotated accordingly and this is the reason all tires are bad now. This is Honda’s fault. I left refusing to drive the unsafe car and called their “supposed” customer hotline. After a big phone tag game with them, Honda came back with paying for 3 tires, again unacceptable. After many days of arguments and me telling them that it would not be ethical if another party got hurt over this, they complied. I am still bothered by the fact that a persons’ saftey didn’t seem to matter to them. I too will testify for some un-knowing family, God forbid… Joe
P.S. I have always owned Honda’s, and I will never again own one. And, I will tell EVERYONE in my circle of friends and family…and also anyone that I ever see or meet, who are driving one, about this unsafe issue, until Honda rectifies this.
Here is an update to you all. I just bought my 2008 Honda Civic Sedan LX in June of 2008. I just had my car serviced for the second time in February. I always take my car to the dealer and the first time they recommended the tires rotated was this Second oil change. I also had them address an issue with my windows. I kept hearing a funny squeaking noise on the driver’s side window and they ended up replacing the switch since the window would only roll down half way.
February 20, 2009, I got my car back from the oil change and they said they had to order the parts for the window and to come back next week. As soon as I drove the car off the lot, I started hearing a loud helicopter noise coming from the tires. I called them and they said it was nothing and that it would go away in a few days.
I went back in after a week of waiting for the parts, turned in my car went back to work thinking, “Cool I will get my car back, the noise will go away, all good, right?” Nope! I got a call from the service department and they said that the tires were cupped on all 4 FOUR tires.
How do you go from having perfectly good tires two weeks ago to damage tires?
I always check the air pressure in my tires. So now, I have damaged tires and a very annoying helicopter noise accompanied by a nice vibration, which I can hear over the radio. I told the dealer that this was unacceptable and they need to address this…
This is a NEW 2008 Civic less than 11,000 miles on it! I am waiting for a call back from the dealer. What do we need to do?
I thought the rear tire problem was only on the 2006 and 2007 Honda. After I payed for two sets of tires and a lot of hell, they replaced the upper arms with a “service pack”. The tires still make a lot of noise because they are ruined. However, I’m going to go to a good alignment shop and make sure they can align it before I buy the new tires. This is a nightmare. If it occurs on the 2008, that is horrendous. They have know about the problem since 2006. If my car still eats tires, I’m going to trade it and buy a Nissan or Toyota. My experiences with Nissan have been great and I am sorry I ever changed.
I thought everybody having Civics’ eating tires and having cupping problems might want to know that I recently contacted NHTSA about this problem. This is the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration at 1-800-327-4236 or http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/hotline. They seemed very interested in this problem and cannot understand why Honda is not wanting to do anything to speak of about fixing the problem and getting new tires on our vehicles at THEIR expense not our expense. The way the person that I talked with sounded the more people that let them know about this the better for all of us. So PLEASE START FLOODING THEIR PHONE AND WEB ADDRESS and tell anybody and everybody you can about them. I’m still boiling about having to purchase one tire with Honda paying for the other and STILL having cupped tires on the front BECAUSE I DID rotate my tires as one should do. Honda just doesn’t seem to get it so we are going to have to help them get their heads out of the sand and take FULL responsibility for their mistake that caused all of us to have problems in the first place. Please, everybody, start calling and writing today.
Disgusted in Oklahoma
Anyone out there that wants to get to Honda about this upper control arm/tire cupping problems? Here is an address and survey from Honda that you might want to express your complaints to: http://www.hondaacs.com/survey2.html.
Also, if you would like to let your congressional delegation and the President to know you can express your concerns at the following: govit.com/email_congress/confirmation.aspx?key=15126180&message. This will go to your state congress reps as well as to Pres. Obama.
Everybody needs to get on this thing and not let off the gas, from what I understand Honda is getting a little irritated from people like you and me. Let’s put some pressure on them from Washington D.C. as well. After all, their engineering mistake is costing you and me tires that we shouldn’t have to be paying for.
Disgusted in Oklahoma
Honda’s are JUNK andso is the Dealerships Servive Dept’s……Dont buy a Honda Buy a Ford
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